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Airborne Ranger, FBI Hostage Rescue Team operator, sniper, breacher, and FBI Crisis Negotiation Unit veteran Kyle Vowinkel, author of the upcoming book Shaping Chaos, sits down with Mike Ritland to break down the night he was called in to talk to the most wanted man in America. With 400 officers on scene, a dozen flashbangs thrown into the boat, and nothing working, the call came down from the FBI director to try talking. Kyle walks through the ten minutes of dead silence, the word that finally broke it, and the hour and a half that followed.
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0:00 Intro: The Boston Marathon Bomber
1:03 Meet FBI Veteran Kyle Vowinkel
2:08 How to Think Under Pressure
7:51 Growing Up in a Military Family
15:14 West Point and Ranger School
18:13 How He Joined the FBI
25:31 Inside FBI SWAT and Counterintelligence
38:39 Why He Failed HRT Selection
52:16 His Second Chance at HRT
57:10 JSOC Sniper Missions in Iraq
1:15:45 The Puerto Rico Standoff
1:22:30 Raids in Ramadi and Fallujah
1:30:42 Special Operations in Afghanistan
1:38:50 From HRT Operator to Hostage Negotiator
1:56:32 Negotiating With Somali Pirates
2:13:39 The Boston Marathon Bomber Manhunt
2:30:13 How He Got the Bomber to Surrender
2:47:07 What Happened After the Manhunt
2:57:01 The Alabama Bunker Hostage Crisis
3:20:06 The Assault That Saved a 5-Year-Old
3:37:31 The Sacrifice of FBI K9 Freddy
3:49:27 Shaping Chaos: Lessons From the FBI
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