Italian Tier-1 Raider Says Just 1 in 1,000 Make It Through Col Moschin Selection | EP 317

0:00 [UNKNOWN]: This reminds me how important it is to be in a special force you need to listen to everybody. [UNKNOWN]: You know, when I will rank you around or come rank the ever, 90% of the nature of success, but one was very close to a terrible one. [UNKNOWN]: Midranaite, we flowed in this village. [UNKNOWN]: and one point where the loud bang on the China, everybody was thinking, fuck, it's shooting at us. [UNKNOWN]: It's you know, hit the front wheel of a dude and lost him to completely the wheel. [UNKNOWN]: A board mission, a board mission. [UNKNOWN]: But then the pilot says, guys, I don't know how to land. [UNKNOWN]: One point in the conversation in the radio, we heard a mechanic in the base says, I have an idea.

0:42 [UNKNOWN]: The guy dismantled the wheels of our blender to make a wheel. [UNKNOWN]: The guy was able to go in the base, put the China in his way, so we were able to jump for the China from the back. [UNKNOWN]: And the guy just slowly rolling watching his guys slowly landing, freaking China on top of these two wheels and everybody. [UNKNOWN]: What was your impression of [UNKNOWN]: the enemy fighters that you faced as far as what were they about like you expected were they better in some ways than expected were. [UNKNOWN]: This is my little question.

1:26 [UNKNOWN]: Ladies and gentlemen, as always it's both an honor and a pleasure to welcome my next guest to the podcast. [UNKNOWN]: He was a captain in the Italian Army Special Forces for 16 years, the Tier 1 unit called the Ninth Paratroopers Assault Regiment, or a Cole Mosqueen, best as I can pronounce it. [UNKNOWN]: Alpini officer, which is essentially Alpine, Montage or Vino Ranger, as I said, right? [UNKNOWN]: 16 years of service and an airborne ranger, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the stage, Alex Falkido. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, sir. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much, Frank. [UNKNOWN]: Hopefully I didn't butcher all those two yet. [UNKNOWN]: No, it wasn't so bad. [UNKNOWN]: Not too bad. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for coming. [UNKNOWN]: We were talking off camera here the first Italian veteran I've had on here, and [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's not a lot out there, you know, there's a ton of content with Army or I'm sorry with US special operations, you know, there's tons of shows and documentary books, etc.

2:18 [UNKNOWN]: Even some, you know, a lot of the UK guys are starting to come out and do interviews and write books and stuff, but there's very little on Italian special operations. [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, really stoked to have you on and appreciate you taking the time. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much, my pleasure. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, you touched utterly sensitive matters that it's very difficult to convince production company, Italian production company to utterly invest, of making a movie and a TV show about the Italian special forces, even if... [UNKNOWN]: In the reality, we did a lot, but it's trying to change it, actually, and the more we go to interview, a couple of projects that I'm trying to work to make it the sense of it.

3:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Is the military generally speaking, as an Italian citizen growing up, is it something that, like here, is pretty highly respected for the most part, do kids look up to soldiers that way? [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I know, yes and unfortunately the Italian government the last 60 years it wasn't very pro law enforcement. [UNKNOWN]: So you're not seen from the majority to the people. [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people that love you guys But they're not see for the majority of the people who are totally something that you look for. [UNKNOWN]: So Actually being a military is actually you really need to want it.

3:42 [UNKNOWN]: I guess not so much gained from that. [UNKNOWN]: Before we get into childhood and kind of dive a little deeper into that, what's the last book that you've read? [UNKNOWN]: The last book was another time, the Silmarilum, from north of the Dings. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, nice, that's good stuff. [UNKNOWN]: Do you have a favorite quote? [UNKNOWN]: It's actually called, he's an elf, he's called, our Hentaloube. [UNKNOWN]: That means there are some, we'll rise again. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like it. [UNKNOWN]: Some simple and pro-found. [UNKNOWN]: What was your favorite thing to do growing up? [UNKNOWN]: Well, I was growing up playing basketball that do martial arts. [UNKNOWN]: I was doing Takuando and Judo, and then growing basketball, my father was a professional basketball player.

4:29 [UNKNOWN]: Oh wow. [UNKNOWN]: So I walked in steps and I grew up to what to be in the second series, down down NBA, calling NBA the little down below. [UNKNOWN]: So I was pretty much successful in the basketball, until I decided to [UNKNOWN]: Tila decided to join me, but yeah, my child was a basketball tag-on-doh. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, pretty much that. [UNKNOWN]: Sport. [UNKNOWN]: And you grew up on the beach, you said? [UNKNOWN]: Yes, Austria. [UNKNOWN]: What, a lot of surfing and that kind of stuff? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, surfing. [UNKNOWN]: No, no, a surf surfing was something I really love to do that. [UNKNOWN]: Again, the wave in our, in either they're not in more from Roma, they're not so big.

5:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So probably don't quote me in feet about probably a meter in a half. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Based on that, I have an enjoy. [UNKNOWN]: So I think this sort of, yes. [UNKNOWN]: As far as growing up in Italy, you mentioned the kind of mixed feelings that society has towards the military. [UNKNOWN]: is it something that as a kid growing up that you saw and there was kind of a catalyst that wanted you to join or aspire to join or what was the thought process? [UNKNOWN]: I always respect the law enforcement. [UNKNOWN]: My grand grand father that he was, he's a milledon all along or for the, oh, how? [UNKNOWN]: They sent me the milledon all along and he's uniformed [UNKNOWN]: So my family was always military, but I mean, I was, again, growing up in the street, playing basketball and martial arts, so I didn't think about the joint, the army, or well with respect that.

6:10 [UNKNOWN]: All my cousins were in the police. [UNKNOWN]: So, I always peted the uniform and the respect even the low. [UNKNOWN]: But I never say it, actually, for me was, I don't like to wear a uniform. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I like to go to the code of something, I just want to be free, you want to be free, you want to be free, you want to be free, you want to be free, you want to be free. [UNKNOWN]: I totally didn't see myself as a part of the army, you know. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You said you grew up in Roma? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I'm always fascinated. [UNKNOWN]: Europe generally speaking, but especially in Italy, the differences in regions and from town to town, village to village, how kind of specific they, I guess, conduct themselves culturally and the food is very different.

6:54 [UNKNOWN]: The things they focus on. [UNKNOWN]: How would you describe Rome as far as the culture is concerned compared to the rest of it? [UNKNOWN]: Well, Rome is a centre of Italy. [UNKNOWN]: It was a centre of the Roman Empire since then. [UNKNOWN]: You really few things changed. [UNKNOWN]: So it's always a catalyst for everything it's new. [UNKNOWN]: It's all the culture, the food, it's always the centre. [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, there's a lot of competition between northern south and the city to city, probably because Italy, after the Roman Empire got destroyed, that go into ruin, all the city, all the villages that start to race together, to create their own village, to their own castles, the old Borgo, and since it was divided by a different kingdom, [UNKNOWN]: It was very, very, everybody was thinking by himself.

7:55 [UNKNOWN]: And then Italy, unfortunately, as you know, got conquer by everybody from French, Germany, Arab, Spain. [UNKNOWN]: So a decreed purchase of culture, they're very isolated. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, in gold, in some places, Italy, some villages, where the dialect is different of two male, males' radius. [UNKNOWN]: They call, say, yeah, it's a chair. [UNKNOWN]: You need this called Sedia, and then you got tubeless down, they call Kadrega. [UNKNOWN]: That's totally different things. [UNKNOWN]: But Kadrega is a Spain for Sedia. [UNKNOWN]: So, [UNKNOWN]: It's a very fraction of the Italian culture sometimes very fraction and they look at the famous Paliziana when in Vienna the race, the horses, they see itself divided by county and they freaking hate each other.

8:49 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, even if they leave so close, so it's very unique. [UNKNOWN]: are the dialects different enough to where you would even have trouble understanding? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: That's different. [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah. [UNKNOWN]: That's fascinating. [UNKNOWN]: Italy being known for a lot of things but food being one of the bigger things was there a traditional Italian dish that your mom made growing up that was kind of your favorite. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's Nyorki. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Nyorki is pisto, Nyorki with mozzarella. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Can you guys remember my grandmother making Nyorki in the house? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, on a Sunday. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: From the Italian culture standpoint, the way that it's portrayed here in the media, I'm curious to get your take on how accurate or inaccurate it is from the food, the culture, the language, even like the mafia influence, you know, it's a big TV thing here.

9:47 [UNKNOWN]: What's your interpretation of how America depicts Italian culture in the media and pop culture? [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a very long, because food for us, it's a way of sharing time. [UNKNOWN]: In America food, I need to eat something and put something in your mouth. [UNKNOWN]: And you need to eat something part of our culture. [UNKNOWN]: So that's why we have very proud of our food. [UNKNOWN]: So when we need our people, we'll chicken and pasta, meatballs and pasta. [UNKNOWN]: The fuck is wrong with you, so we're very passionate about food, that's for sure, and we are picky because our food is clean, it's way cleaner, so it's not made for large purpose, for large amount to be sold, it's just for small portions.

10:40 [UNKNOWN]: You are picky for a food. [UNKNOWN]: For work on certain that our culture, you are very passionate. [UNKNOWN]: We maybe can talk about weather and then hug in each other about the weather. [UNKNOWN]: And people think we are crazy. [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes when I... My sister has a restaurant, so sometimes when I'm not working in the movie business, I'm working at my sister restaurant. [UNKNOWN]: And when my sister is talking about something, [UNKNOWN]: People always think they're going to fight and maybe you're talking about something that's not really the fight It's just something so we move the hand. [UNKNOWN]: That's a very passionate So some of the how the court in other states this C.R. [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of true in the way and if you touch the mafia thing is [UNKNOWN]: So Mafia started to be a good thing.

11:28 [UNKNOWN]: The original Mafia was started by in Sicily. [UNKNOWN]: By the citizen tied, though, I have a government thousand protected body. [UNKNOWN]: So we started something that was made to protect your own cities from robbery, from barbarian, from something. [UNKNOWN]: That was Mafia started. [UNKNOWN]: So everybody loved the mafia at the beginning, and of course, like everything is touched by humans, they touch it by money, he became what it became, one of the mass criminalization in the world. [UNKNOWN]: So, mafia, I need that is very, I say it's very common, but it's, everybody knows somebody's in the mafia.

12:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's for sure, even still today, even still today. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: sounds crazy, but as a mid-airbed, makes sense. [UNKNOWN]: It's noise when you grow up in a certain environment to go out. [UNKNOWN]: You're probably gonna call Gaito here. [UNKNOWN]: So, it's noise to come off on that. [UNKNOWN]: But it's still present, it's still present. [UNKNOWN]: In Italy, unfortunately, it's still present, it's ramikificated in the government. [UNKNOWN]: I still has a lot of power, negative power. [UNKNOWN]: But there is a way as some reach in the younger generation.

12:52 [UNKNOWN]: because it gives you the impression that you're part of something. [UNKNOWN]: You're part of a family, part of a family, the protecting itself, right? [UNKNOWN]: And that's why as a test people are prone to join the mafia. [UNKNOWN]: Then very soon they realized that they don't freaking care about you, they care about money, they care about the God, the businesses, so you are part of a big, a gear where you're very expandable. [UNKNOWN]: But they traction it, they have, because a lot of people here, no here, you need a lot of family or no futures, so join them, if yeah, it looks for them something. [UNKNOWN]: That's appealing, yeah, they give a purpose, that's the problem.

13:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I, I guess, careful about even making this analogy, but there's, there's some element of the attraction in, in very poor Islamic countries to join terrorist organizations for kind of those same reasons, no? [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know that, you've been there, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, [UNKNOWN]: I'm fortunate when money and chance to keep providing for your family can make you the stupid things. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: In terms of the way that the American or Italian American mafia, again, how it's portrayed or I mean I don't know if you know anybody that's actually in it, but is it very different from the mafia and Italy?

14:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then, in Italy, there are more... [UNKNOWN]: In Italy, I believe that there is still a respect from the elders for the mother, grandmother, grandfather, and even if not, not part of the mafia, they're going to listen to them. [UNKNOWN]: Why America really I I can't talk you because I knew at the time a lot of people in Italy in that kind of reward here America really don't and the wanted yeah, so before when I'm seeing for people that talk to me [UNKNOWN]: They're not really the same, they're not the same, I think the mafia in America became big for the alcohol, for the prohibition time, that's when we make a very big, big and was so powerful in New York.

15:24 [UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, in New York, they built so many things from New York itself, right? [UNKNOWN]: So I don't want to tell you, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Did you go to public school, growing up? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: I'm always fascinated by in Europe public education and how World War II is taught and represented. [UNKNOWN]: As an Italian citizen growing up, what was the kind of overall just of how you learned about World War II and kind of how it was presented? [UNKNOWN]: I think that it was presented in a fair way, you know, actually what's happening. [UNKNOWN]: And Italian school is way hard.

16:06 [UNKNOWN]: Unless when I was there, because now I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: But when I was there was a hard day, [UNKNOWN]: We have books, books, books to study for everything from these stories, philosophy, math. [UNKNOWN]: There were two described infernors growing up and then when I would copy it with what to learn the truth, it was described in fairness, they don't want to happen. [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't sugarcoded for sure, especially because in Italy, [UNKNOWN]: One side, the one the war, actually, was no more very prominent.

16:46 [UNKNOWN]: And for sure, the American side was really put on the side, like Italian, what's this guy's called, the party Johnny. [UNKNOWN]: The party that I'm part of, I mean, was the one, the safety, the little, well, well, but it was not. [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but it was kind of fair, knowing more, I learned out to what's happening there. [UNKNOWN]: In terms of the actual decision to join the military, can you walk us through what made you finally decide, yes, I want to join the army and kind of how that started. [UNKNOWN]: So, in my life, I was always very stinty, if I wanted to do something and I changed my idea because I wanted to do all the do it.

17:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I was playing basketball, I was playing basketball with my friend after I was a training guy, I think I was done training and online there was a, there was an article about the [UNKNOWN]: when they save a bunch of people during the terrorist attack, right? [UNKNOWN]: And I wasn't playing by ball, I was watching this video. [UNKNOWN]: And myself, I said, I'm not fucking doing it, I'm putting my ball in a fucking basket from leaving it. [UNKNOWN]: What these guys, all dressed in black, they go in semi-lives.

18:17 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I freaking changed it. [UNKNOWN]: And I started to Google it, special forces, whatever, and then I took me two years to understand what I need to do, apply, do the, yeah, but that's how I changed. [UNKNOWN]: I changed it because I felt, [UNKNOWN]: that put the basketball ball in a basket and I was very good at it and I will enjoy that. [UNKNOWN]: But see these guys do something for a higher purpose and it was the things that opened my eyes. [UNKNOWN]: I want to be a man dressed in black with some of my face killing bad people and so you keep this.

19:00 [UNKNOWN]: I mean it resonates I think irrespective of country culture language you know there's a draw I think for young men to want to do that which that's that's awesome as far as going to boot camp and can you kind of describe the [UNKNOWN]: the path that you took boot camp to end in the follow on ultimately ending up in in some of the course. [UNKNOWN]: So, to the first things I did that is apply as a polite to that academy, because you don't want to be a corporate well, which would be a siege of major. [UNKNOWN]: I applied for academy or for siege of major. [UNKNOWN]: For the first the first [UNKNOWN]: time, the actual Italian government was created an academy for such a major, it's called Academy of Maréchale, Maréchale, it's the same major, the first course, it's called an example.

19:51 [UNKNOWN]: So I did that for three years, so that was my food food and all in Italian army, so I'd be able to do two years study, plus a third day of training, [UNKNOWN]: And that's how I went inside the army. [UNKNOWN]: And during the process, you're trying to go, to understand where you need to go, where you need to apply, to actually go into the special forces. [UNKNOWN]: And the first step is that we go to the parachutists, to the full grid. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't make it because the way the people came in, I was coming out, it was basically by the first 10 people, the first one go to the second one, go to the third one blah blah and then the 11th goes to the first one, so it was really where you end up in the thing, so I went to that pine regiment.

20:44 [UNKNOWN]: I went to their pirate regiment, the 7th of pirate regiment, my very disappointment, and when they gave me the assignment, I looked at the name of the city called Feltre, I didn't even know what it was. [UNKNOWN]: I had to google it, google it at the time, it wasn't even google it. [UNKNOWN]: I looked for the map, what is the things was, and I went there and I spent two years there [UNKNOWN]: And then, to me, the past such to go out to the special force was blocked, because there not a room opening, so they are far in fact, and they do it.

21:25 [UNKNOWN]: And I applied to be an officer, because I know they were looking for officer. [UNKNOWN]: So then I applied to be an officer. [UNKNOWN]: And we demanded the things, I joined the academy and became an officer. [UNKNOWN]: And I tried to go to the special forces, the way. [UNKNOWN]: And in a magnet, I went to the seven, to the Ranger Battalion, the Montesjevino, for two years, well, I was trying to be a Maranger, so I still wanted to go to the Colmoski. [UNKNOWN]: Finally, I was able to go to Colmoski. [UNKNOWN]: And I apply, and everybody told me, you're fucking crazy, you're 20 years old, you start to be old. [UNKNOWN]: And I apply, and I passed the first hell week on the same thing, and it's one week, 10 days off.

22:18 [UNKNOWN]: disaster. [UNKNOWN]: And then I graduate from that and then start to the training. [UNKNOWN]: Now the training for the Italian special forces, the Colmos King, the last three years. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Before you get into that, can we talk about the selection process, how long is it? [UNKNOWN]: And this is, I guess I would ask, is this kind of the most prominent Italian special forces in it? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Can you say how many individuals started versus how many actually made it through and how long it is? [UNKNOWN]: It's the process, the first week, the first week, 10 days of selection.

23:02 [UNKNOWN]: Then you have three years of training and you can keep being kicked out Even the last day. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so the ratio is the ratio is one of 1000 really. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, so I don't can tell you how much we are, but My what I can tell you is that my rank my wings is 1025 [UNKNOWN]: TL at 1947. [UNKNOWN]: Really. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: So not not many. [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Such a small unit. [UNKNOWN]: It's it's interesting that there's you basically start with a 10-day super hard hell week and the attrition rate is really high there.

23:47 [UNKNOWN]: You know about what it is. [UNKNOWN]: 1-25, 1 out of 25. [UNKNOWN]: We started in another people in that period, in the same people. [UNKNOWN]: And then you go to the two years, together with the other people, they did it. [UNKNOWN]: They have a, I don't know the change or now, we take about four months, they have a hell of a week every [UNKNOWN]: three or four weeks, and then after four months they collect all the people they came out and do the first section, they go through the three years, okay. [UNKNOWN]: Can you break down that three year training process, is it broken down the phases or like, it's pretty nice if you start with topography, to the right, you got the first impact and you just basically left somewhere.

24:31 [UNKNOWN]: And by you to study a lot, you need to study a lot of photography. [UNKNOWN]: And it's starting with topography. [UNKNOWN]: And then they go to every single aspect. [UNKNOWN]: Every court is almost among them, aren't they? [UNKNOWN]: And every, at end, the course you need to pass a test. [UNKNOWN]: And then you go from topography, weapons, reconnaissance, chemicals, warfare, you do the bunch of stuff. [UNKNOWN]: Till you end up the first year, and the first year is the big test. [UNKNOWN]: It's basically called Evasion and Capture. [UNKNOWN]: And the last 10 days.

25:12 [UNKNOWN]: Well, especially if you eat, you're going to be captured no matter what, and you go to a entire process, and then people they grab the way that [UNKNOWN]: It's not a lot, but once you graduate that, I'm not saying you're done, I guess we have another two years, but you start to feel, okay, I may be have some, any of the people the structural look at you, okay, these guys that have the things to make it. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not saying they go more light on you, but they allow you for the next three years to actually do mistakes, because I mean, even they messed a lot of you, and you've shown [UNKNOWN]: And I'll always say this thing to everybody, I much rather take a guy that does 100% of 100% of himself to do something, then a guy that's great talent, amazing muscles, great body or whatever, but it doesn't do another percent, yeah, that's a game.

26:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that seems pretty consistent with all militaries and special operations is a lot of guys that make it, you know, are more average in terms of their physical capability. [UNKNOWN]: Excuse me, but they, you know, have this uncommon will to succeed, and this will never ever give up. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a mindset, you know. [UNKNOWN]: And so that, after that first year of just non-stop testing and lots of attrition, the last two years is that kind of the same, every different aspect of specialized training, just an answer. [UNKNOWN]: And then you start to be specializes at to be a mountain, a mountain, a snowing, under water, a halo, how sick it, sick of it, close quarter combat, sniper, you start to have [UNKNOWN]: a very more specific task, yeah, yes.

27:08 [UNKNOWN]: Did you ever work with any of the Italian version of Navy SEALs? [UNKNOWN]: I work bottle them, I work with Navy SEALs, I work with the Delta Force. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is it a similar pipeline training selection? [UNKNOWN]: And that great, the thing is, Navy SEALs just was one time in Afghanistan. [UNKNOWN]: We work way more with the Delta DOD. [UNKNOWN]: And it creates that, you took it the same language. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: It took it the same language. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is not the same. [UNKNOWN]: They're the same way to do stuff. [UNKNOWN]: You may begin to change the wording or lingo by the same thing. [UNKNOWN]: So that's that's a beautiful of the special forces. [UNKNOWN]: We've got a new reach at the top of the pyramid.

27:48 [UNKNOWN]: It is same taste, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Because we share training, we share knowledge, we share as much as we can. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Similar numbers of the Navy Special Operations as the Army. [UNKNOWN]: Like, is it about the same amount of guys that are Italian Navy SEALs versus Italians? [UNKNOWN]: So, Italian Navy SEALs are called Goy. [UNKNOWN]: And they're very few. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very few. [UNKNOWN]: Do they automatically issue panorized to the Navy SEALs? [UNKNOWN]: No, they pay for it. [UNKNOWN]: That's a lot of amuse them though, yeah.

28:30 [UNKNOWN]: That's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean the original Frogman watch, you know, is the panoramic. [UNKNOWN]: Right, right. [UNKNOWN]: All right, so once you get through all of that training and you kind of make it, Big ceremony to hand you the wings and, or is it just kind of like, yeah, good job you made it. [UNKNOWN]: That's really good. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: It is a city morning that just give it a knife. [UNKNOWN]: The extermination knife with your name, your numbers, and the patch, and that's good to go. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, um, did you have a specialty or or is it broken down into units where there's sniper cells, breacher cells, correct? [UNKNOWN]: Correct, correct. [UNKNOWN]: So basically, since I was an officer, I didn't have a specific task because I was in charge of the sniper team, the bleacher team.

29:14 [UNKNOWN]: So I still have to go to the basic training on all of them to understand what's going on, but I wasn't specifically training on one of them. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay. [UNKNOWN]: And then once you graduate, can you say how many different units there are, or, I mean, I imagine you wouldn't want to say where they're stationed, if you can, great, but if not, no worries. [UNKNOWN]: the breakdown or structure of once you've graduated, you get your patch and your assault to it. [UNKNOWN]: The regiment now is a regiment level. [UNKNOWN]: 25 years ago was at a battalion level. [UNKNOWN]: So now it's a regiment level. [UNKNOWN]: So like a old Italian structure, the regiment has a five-composer now that a one needs the school, and one that four-to-one, the four-to-parative one.

30:03 [UNKNOWN]: And now they're based, they're basically war, but they move to Camp Derby. [UNKNOWN]: Part of them, they move to Camp Derby. [UNKNOWN]: They know the American, Camp Derby is supposed to be used to be an American army base. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: But, Americans cat the force, like at 5 C Cs has a goal. [UNKNOWN]: So they left a lot of things and uses. [UNKNOWN]: So they teach on special forces. [UNKNOWN]: that were very tiny, we were very in a very tight bar access so they moved there and they moved the command in Pisa to the splitter now, but they are the base, yes, it's a little more no, an in Pisa, and now they're deployed to the freaking ware.

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32:18 [UNKNOWN]: So yes, we have the guy, the name is Hiltsa, but the guy, we are going to the Colmosquin who will go to the same training of the guy. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, to do the underwater. [UNKNOWN]: Now they're most specialized in underwater. [UNKNOWN]: So means that all of the operator is specialized underwater and can I level underwater. [UNKNOWN]: And now we're almost keen and we're a lot of a little specialized in that, but the majority are basically underwater demolition. [UNKNOWN]: So, but being a very small number, we don't have the looks for it to have very specialized team. [UNKNOWN]: So we need to do everything. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Does Italy have, or put a responsibility on any of the military for any counterterrorism inside of Italy, if something happened, just like the UK days?

33:03 [UNKNOWN]: So, Italy has the GIS, GIS, the Caribbeani, the Special Force team, that's a specialized entity on a domestic territory attack. [UNKNOWN]: domestic attack in support of the go-all the GIS if the number required are too big. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did that ever happen? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it happened in the past half of the entire time. [UNKNOWN]: Can you tell any of those things? [UNKNOWN]: Biggest one, everybody knows it probably the 1780 threat, the realistic threat to Northeastern Italy.

33:43 [UNKNOWN]: when they are communist, I just had that right here. [UNKNOWN]: They are bringing up bridges in a polite pool in the Northwest, so we did this month to the Italian government. [UNKNOWN]: And then the one was the Kielela Auro, when they tried to, you know what's up in the Kielela Auro, and yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: recently recently they're not nothing up and so but there are any time that is a huge situation always around yeah uh... this is a little off topic but uh... i just thought of it the the vatican special guard guys if you ever worked with you yeah now i never work with them by i know very well because we train them or are they as legit as they're represented they'd be pretty formidable formal force [UNKNOWN]: So they're very, very even less numbers, because to be join a Swiss guard, you need to be born in a specific canton in Switzerland.

34:47 [UNKNOWN]: But these codos guys, the good for all the training. [UNKNOWN]: So now we train them as a joint, the partial operation training, because they're part of the party, and they're part of the NATO, but they're inside the talent government, they're in land. [UNKNOWN]: So we train them, and the guys are legit, man. [UNKNOWN]: They're not a lot. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, really, you're really looking, [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, yeah, yeah, but they are well-training, they're well-equipped and they're the most powerful seekers service in the world. [UNKNOWN]: Really? [UNKNOWN]: What could you give any examples of that? [UNKNOWN]: What think about many priests we have in America? [UNKNOWN]: It was about a million and many people go to the church and tell them what's happening.

35:29 [UNKNOWN]: None. [UNKNOWN]: No, many of you go to incoherent faith. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, tens of hundreds of millions, tens of millions. [UNKNOWN]: I think that is. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The most power for psychoservice, equality for racial worldwide. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I guess you never think about that, huh? [UNKNOWN]: Supposed to be protected, but maybe not so much. [UNKNOWN]: It's supposed to be protected because it's under you can say, but I mean, you still [UNKNOWN]: You're a priest, you are strict to don't tell what people told in the confession, right? [UNKNOWN]: But people confess your bow, crime, or something like that. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's still, then it becomes a different model. [UNKNOWN]: So yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So I had no effort sure that's reality.

36:11 [UNKNOWN]: But then for sure, the guys know everything. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I suppose no different than the secret service here, they hear a lot of meetings and backroom deals. [UNKNOWN]: And they have a pretty good idea of what's going on for sure. [UNKNOWN]: So, can you talk about your first duty station deployments that you did kind of what you did once you got your feet on the ground and made it through? [UNKNOWN]: My first deployment in the Special Forces was in Afghanistan. [UNKNOWN]: It was in Heiko Benus called Farah. [UNKNOWN]: In the two days after I was deployed there, we got in the first huge gamfight.

36:51 [UNKNOWN]: And what the realized at the moment is that all the training that you've done in the past start automatically in your brain. [UNKNOWN]: You don't think what you're doing, you react automatically. [UNKNOWN]: And you think you're a faking video game, you just, people are shooting you, you should be back at you, and then just a faking video game. [UNKNOWN]: And I didn't feel, I never felt fear in a situation that during the process, always when the base, man, that was tough or whatever, but in the moment, I think you're training, that's why, [UNKNOWN]: your training needs to be very hard because that's your training and it's going to need to jump in place when teams up and to you too fast at the time for fear and I think that you probably may be resonate with that most of the time so you're doing these things because your friends are with you.

37:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's like a teamwork. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean it sounds like the Italian military [UNKNOWN]: does do a great job at preparing for the most part. [UNKNOWN]: Especially the special operation. [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So many years of training, you know, once you get there at that kind of default. [UNKNOWN]: I am curious, was there any part of... [UNKNOWN]: being in your first gunfight that kind of opened your eyes to, wow, this is very different from training or did it seem like this is just the same? [UNKNOWN]: No, no, I think I think it wasn't different. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was a spat in that, uh, in, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, [UNKNOWN]: I think the main difference is the death time.

38:43 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the death time is the time that passed what's happening, and that was the next one. [UNKNOWN]: Because I mean, everything is clear and intriguing. [UNKNOWN]: Go everything is clear with our video game. [UNKNOWN]: But when you start to care, we're going to have to come fight and everything is silent, what's next? [UNKNOWN]: So that's the part of care, what's next? [UNKNOWN]: I mean, nobody's going to tell you what's next. [UNKNOWN]: You need to find out one next. [UNKNOWN]: And then of course, you win for your plane. [UNKNOWN]: Or the surveillance you can have on the ground, but then when you go more to the realistic fact, that's kind of different. [UNKNOWN]: So you expect everything is to be tanda and then you're lies and the... Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: What was your impression, or I guess first, what was that that you deployed to Afghanistan?

39:27 [UNKNOWN]: You 2000, eh? [UNKNOWN]: 2000, I think? [UNKNOWN]: 2000. [UNKNOWN]: So it was before 9-11? [UNKNOWN]: No, after that. [UNKNOWN]: OK, so 2001 or 2002, maybe. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, early on and out was 2007 and 2007. [UNKNOWN]: So, OK, 2007, in terms of 2011, I was in Bosnia. [UNKNOWN]: OK. [UNKNOWN]: I guess from a, the Italian perspective on why you guys are helping the United States and Afghanistan was everybody, you and your unit kind of all on board and supported the mission and wanted to go there and do that or was there any hesitation.

40:09 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Did they communicate to you kind of what the just of why you were there on kind of a micro or a tactical level, like what the goal was, where are you going? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: What was that? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so basically, the our mission of Afghanistan is to disrupt the insurgent networking. [UNKNOWN]: So, to try to catch the big eye, trying to avoid these guys to keep profiling in the area, destroy the communication between harm dealers, the drug dealers. [UNKNOWN]: So, what's the introduction? [UNKNOWN]: Basically, what's the introduction? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Did you work with a bunch of other American special operators?

40:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, we work. [UNKNOWN]: And, actually, one of the pressure we did was in the Gouletsen Valley, and we did the DOD, and actually, we received a medal from them for we did, for the DOD, that was the part of the Rameden Amber, but we did the Gouletsen, the operation was in the Gouletsen Valley in Afghanistan. [UNKNOWN]: And, we basically were tasked with [UNKNOWN]: to regain the access of the valley, because the nature lasted, in the span they send the utanus pressure forces, the delta forces to regain the valley, and it was a nice operation.

41:38 [UNKNOWN]: It was funny, I remember this day, it was a night time, and we were far away, I mean I didn't know where them, we were far away, it was huge value, nothing, and the non-Vision Google so it was such a scene from some light on the other side of the hill. [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, light can be everything, right? [UNKNOWN]: But then we saw sunlight and then it's up here. [UNKNOWN]: So we put the goals and we saw this in the light. [UNKNOWN]: So we see the light with the goals. [UNKNOWN]: And now the light is protected as infrared lights, right? [UNKNOWN]: Who they can be? [UNKNOWN]: So we move the bar at the machine gun laser on the direction and we start to do this on the circle things and then we got the circle back like that and then we start to communication and then we realize that we'll deal with that force on the other side of the hill.

42:33 [UNKNOWN]: But that, for example, it's one of the problems I used to have, again, I'm talking about 2008. [UNKNOWN]: So in Afghanistan, it's actually the communication between different units. [UNKNOWN]: Because sometimes, [UNKNOWN]: We should have communication and goes in the level, but the communication was always going in the level. [UNKNOWN]: So these guys talk with these guys and talk and go down. [UNKNOWN]: And that can be sometimes a problem with a friendly fire. [UNKNOWN]: Because sometimes the communication I talk about in faster. [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, there [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it was a funny moment.

43:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Can you speak to the... Not necessarily that mission, but just... [UNKNOWN]: I guess any of the missions on that deployment that stand out is either going really, really well or going horribly wrong that you can kind of walk us through. [UNKNOWN]: What the... Well... [UNKNOWN]: A couple of missions very well means that we achieve to disrupt the channel of our enforcement. [UNKNOWN]: They will go into this valley to actually people keep smuggling drugs and weapons to [UNKNOWN]: We totally lost a high volleyball target one day because [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what's happened, we're going to this village, we start to get an information and we spot a person.

44:12 [UNKNOWN]: And again, as you've been there, so I recognize them when they are all disclosing. [UNKNOWN]: All this beer in the face is not so easy, but we recognize God, these guys somehow, two seconds later, we are stormy by civilian. [UNKNOWN]: almost that almost if the city itself was trying to put at this guy's. [UNKNOWN]: I remember my gun that told me it's him, it's him and me trying to go around and try to run it to catch him and then one of my surgeon, I was off, he said, when my surgeon is there, [UNKNOWN]: and it's a why because we really start to be far away from the unit and this guy will keep going deep and then say, look, I mean, all we go there and no one's going on, I will leave it back.

45:05 [UNKNOWN]: And then I said, let's go back. [UNKNOWN]: I wasn't safe to go by themselves anymore. [UNKNOWN]: But this reminds me how important it's to be in a special force you need to listen to everybody. [UNKNOWN]: No matter how rank you, how do I kind of rank they have. [UNKNOWN]: Because the guy may be even a better idea. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, me, I want to catch the guy. [UNKNOWN]: My surgeon was co-blown and said, look, I'll stop. [UNKNOWN]: We're going to far away. [UNKNOWN]: He didn't say stop. [UNKNOWN]: He goes, he was scared. [UNKNOWN]: military wise, we would go into fire. [UNKNOWN]: So that mission was wrong, we lost them. [UNKNOWN]: And another thing, another mission went wrong, and we're all safe, but we're very close to go terrible wrong.

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48:02 [UNKNOWN]: But then the policy says, guys, I don't know how to land. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, China, we know from real, it doesn't know how to land. [UNKNOWN]: So, coming back, they resolved the discussion, what if I keep going, I do, if I keep going, I do, we have, didn't have a parachute. [UNKNOWN]: So we can't jump and somehow we need to land. [UNKNOWN]: So there are last decisions to go to the base and try to land the base, somehow without dying. [UNKNOWN]: And at one point in the conversation in the radio, we heard a mechanic in the base says Ivana Bia.

48:49 [UNKNOWN]: And that's when Italian Italian Italianity comes in the place when we come up with something that we don't have it. [UNKNOWN]: So the guy dismantled the wheels of our blender, [UNKNOWN]: They were, I mean, think about the stickiness of wheels, bulletproof winds, it dismantles two wheels, put laid down on top of each other to make it totally a wheel. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: So the pilot said, [UNKNOWN]: Okay, if we need to try to do these things, we need to go in the base, right? [UNKNOWN]: Because the guy wasn't able to bring this fucking wheel in the middle of this, right? [UNKNOWN]: So, the scary part that if we do something, something that's going to happen, we are actually in the base, with a lot of people can be, they can be a problem, right?

49:37 [UNKNOWN]: So, the guy was able to go in the base, put a China in his way, [UNKNOWN]: So we were able to jump for the China from the back. [UNKNOWN]: So everybody left. [UNKNOWN]: And the guy, just slowly going, watching this guy is slowly landing, flicking China on top of these two wheels and everybody, man. [UNKNOWN]: Remember the pilot coming out, white, white? [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that was a fact. [UNKNOWN]: They were the scary time. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, an American pile? [UNKNOWN]: The time pile, the time pile. [UNKNOWN]: Did you guys typically use Italian air assets when you were, yeah? [UNKNOWN]: Depends. [UNKNOWN]: Depends. [UNKNOWN]: Some people. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Depends. [UNKNOWN]: Depends. [UNKNOWN]: So when you usually have our unit as an owner sitting, but if the task is bigger, we have a joint asset.

50:25 [UNKNOWN]: I remember one day. [UNKNOWN]: For a gunfight at the middle hill, Gustav can easily we call the air support in 1222 shows up, a two-tandle bolt shows up, the two-tandle bolt shows up first, and I never heard them on the field, but man, when he fly on top of you and they can, and that [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's a, no, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's [UNKNOWN]: But I'm fortunate for them, I don't know what to tell you, but this guy is clearly believed what they're doing and that's why I always say people you need to respect your enemy because they fight against you and someone they are really believed what they're doing.

51:35 [UNKNOWN]: Some of them are evil, they are freaking evil. [UNKNOWN]: But a lot of them are just cog in the machine. [UNKNOWN]: For whatever reason, they're fight, they don't war and it's sad because they're young, man. [UNKNOWN]: It's the most automodant on the young, especially the people that are being sent to be slaughtered or young, the young guy, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Can you say how many of you guys there were on that deployment like when you deploy how big is your unit? [UNKNOWN]: It depends on the task force size. [UNKNOWN]: You say ballpark or you'd rather not. [UNKNOWN]: 45, 50, 60, depends, depends, it has four, five, yes. [UNKNOWN]: And usually it's with other American units or on an American base or it most of the time is an American base because most of the times Americans people on the ground before that or more us, Americans are bigger us, to me, that's some people that I know a lot of people in a Europe where they don't like that.

52:39 [UNKNOWN]: But we thought I made it in a fucking go anywhere. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just freaking it is, man. [UNKNOWN]: It's America has a bigger asset to be get food to the ground, the bigger present. [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's the reality, man. [UNKNOWN]: In terms of weaponry and gear, can you talk about what types of weapons you carry, what brands are you using Italian weapons, or, oh, no, no. [UNKNOWN]: Can you say what? [UNKNOWN]: We usually, we have, my year was Benelli and the shotgun on M4 and I clocked in 19. [UNKNOWN]: Plus, it's not very rifle, but the majority are the best weapons available. [UNKNOWN]: They're not to be Italian.

53:20 [UNKNOWN]: But it's 92, it was the biggest weapons. [UNKNOWN]: The biggest deal for everybody, for a long time. [UNKNOWN]: But when they start to be to build the polymer guns, lie the guns, anybody switched to glaucompsies. [UNKNOWN]: So you guys are outfitted very similar to the Immortality and stuff. [UNKNOWN]: Dearwise, similarly, would you use blackhawk, London Bridge, or would you use Italian chess bridge? [UNKNOWN]: We do, actually, have an Italian brand. [UNKNOWN]: It's a great brand that does our equipment. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's cool. [UNKNOWN]: And actually, [UNKNOWN]: I have to let them try to make this brand the land in America.

54:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the actually are fitted on each operator. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay, that's a pretty cheap place. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, wow, man, that's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: That's why I'm trying to bring this brand here, because this brand has a work with a lot of numbers, you can't, but the brand, usually you go there, like a custom designer, they take your size, they cut your chest plate, whatever you want to do, [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll open it or a different, different set up, customize them, and they can customize each one of it. [UNKNOWN]: In true Italian fashion, custom fit, even even in wartime, yeah, fuck yeah, that's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: I love it.

54:41 [UNKNOWN]: How long are your deployments typically? [UNKNOWN]: five to six months, five to six months, and rotation-wise would you guys deploy for that five or six months, be home for a year, you're going to have two years and then really, four months, it's a five to six months rotation, five months deployed that five months [UNKNOWN]: home, five months training, five months deploy the promise. [UNKNOWN]: So when you say home, you're still working, right, but then you stay basically got for one month of vacation, and you go back, you do the normal duty in the army, and then you start to training. [UNKNOWN]: and then you got a deployment. [UNKNOWN]: So three is a cycle within that cycle is is there a a rotation that you guys are put in to stay home and be the the the cycle before the I know you're talking about the cycle before the deployment.

55:33 [UNKNOWN]: So the in case something happens you're on standby may correct so that that's built into the cycle to the deployment. [UNKNOWN]: Can you say how many units like yours are in that rotation at any given time? [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: How many deployments did you do total? [UNKNOWN]: Five. [UNKNOWN]: Five. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: So that was your first deployment to Afghanistan. [UNKNOWN]: You did four after that. [UNKNOWN]: One of the things that I find fascinating in terms of just the unit structure-wise is [UNKNOWN]: I know it's a little different than American special operations, but there's the range of qualification and the incursor, very few of your guys hold both of those qualifications correct?

56:22 [UNKNOWN]: That's a pretty weird. [UNKNOWN]: It's a very unlikely, because it's a, it's a, it's a legacy in the range of courses [UNKNOWN]: It's a passion. [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes people, of course, people would say almost keen is the top. [UNKNOWN]: And the range are great, great team, great, great people. [UNKNOWN]: So it's a very common, my was more than necessity because there, so I was wondering for gore to the almost keen. [UNKNOWN]: I totally didn't finish the range, of course. [UNKNOWN]: But it's a little like a duet of a bot, because I mean, it's a, it's a 14 year body.

57:03 [UNKNOWN]: Is it more common for officers to have both than, you know, it's very uncommon. [UNKNOWN]: Just period, speed it. [UNKNOWN]: How how did you manage to get both? [UNKNOWN]: I didn't have to get, so I didn't get the full range of school. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: I basically before finished last four weeks, I went to the Komsky. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So, that's why the people they call me crazy. [UNKNOWN]: Why are you leaving these things? [UNKNOWN]: I was done. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And there was three years training. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But for me, that was the goal. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: I think another really fascinating thing about the unit itself is it formed back in 1918, correct? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: That's a lot of history, you know, even the American, the oldest kind of roots of special operations partially go back to World War II.

57:52 [UNKNOWN]: But really Vietnam is when, you know, they really kind of came into their own. [UNKNOWN]: But with that history, I mean, is that a big part of the training that you guys learn about that? [UNKNOWN]: It's you learn about these sort of training, the training part that's called that part of this, that is the mindset. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: People really did an incredible things during this time, and that's the mindset that [UNKNOWN]: More than shining itself. [UNKNOWN]: It's the mindset of these people. [UNKNOWN]: In a few numbers, they were able to destroy the Austro-Narmy and did a bunch of the stuff. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, to talk about the Dachima, what they did against England, one of the biggest navy in the world history, and the Dachima was able to destroy the entire form of things because four people went to two sub-Marine in a faking cold water.

58:49 [UNKNOWN]: It did as anything, so it's [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, to me, it's wild. [UNKNOWN]: I imagine that the unit that you were a part of at times in World War II fought against American troops, yeah, I mean, it's fascinating to me that now, not that much, I mean, less than a hundred years later, you're now fighting with American troops against a common enemy, which is that ever anything that enters your guys' mind as you do that, or... [UNKNOWN]: Italy are very proud people, we don't like other countries, I think, but Italy can't deny that without the American intervention, probably, but Europe was big Germany.

59:43 [UNKNOWN]: So a lot of people want to forget about that. [UNKNOWN]: I want people want to don't say thank you because it's easy to don't say thank you. [UNKNOWN]: But after that, the spirit of the American spirit that was able to free Europe is still present in Italy. [UNKNOWN]: So fight with the Americans. [UNKNOWN]: For the people, they are trained in their head and not just [UNKNOWN]: stupid to propaganda. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they do know that it's the right thing to do. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: My dad never talked about life insurance, that generation just didn't. [UNKNOWN]: You figured it out when you needed it, which is exactly the wrong time to figure it out.

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1:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: I bought the same things, man, same thing. [UNKNOWN]: The one thing I felt in Afghanistan, that every special war force units were no AP. [UNKNOWN]: How come? [UNKNOWN]: Because there was a way, no, no, no, no, but there was a way to make things faster than better. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hands tied. [UNKNOWN]: I mean that brings up an interesting question and that I remember, you know, when I was in Iraq, we worked with the Polish gromm, and, you know, their rules of engagement weren't exactly the same as ours. [UNKNOWN]: It was kind of gray area. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Was it kind of the same for you where there was this? [UNKNOWN]: No, that's God. [UNKNOWN]: He taught us special forces of this same, what we're going to engage with, and he's a special force to us.

1:03:12 [UNKNOWN]: But it's always a great, I mean, it's always a great idea. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think for the guys that we worked with the gromm guys, [UNKNOWN]: we took advantage of it because they weren't kind of bound by some of the same restrictions and that's not to say like I certainly don't condone war crimes and cruel and unusual treatment having said that the bureaucracy of some of our rules of engagement ultimately end up tying our hands and making it more dangerous. [UNKNOWN]: See, that's how you touch our nerve. [UNKNOWN]: The point is, the point is, and then we can go and talk about these things forever.

1:03:52 [UNKNOWN]: The point is, to catch a big eye, you need to be fruitless. [UNKNOWN]: To fight monsters, you need to become monsters or monsters. [UNKNOWN]: And nobody wanna be a monsters, because I'm pretty sure that you're grimming me. [UNKNOWN]: There is nobody, [UNKNOWN]: they want to be the beggar. [UNKNOWN]: Nobody wants to use violence for free. [UNKNOWN]: Nobody. [UNKNOWN]: If you are right in your mind. [UNKNOWN]: Of course, crazy people are everywhere. [UNKNOWN]: But reality is, these guys are not nice. [UNKNOWN]: These guys are not, they are trying to destroy you. [UNKNOWN]: They are trying to, you can't.

1:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: Gandhi, no Gandhi. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: It spread the love and utterly is message. [UNKNOWN]: It was so powerful. [UNKNOWN]: He could kill by shot, by bullet, right? [UNKNOWN]: That's, I'm not saying that what he did was nothing, because he did a lot, and he changed a lot of people mind, set, and change an entire country. [UNKNOWN]: But the end of the day, against the bullet, you need to find, you are shielded. [UNKNOWN]: You need to find out the bullet. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You can, [UNKNOWN]: That's the reality, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So you found that you and your guys shared a lot of those frustrations. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

1:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: I know the the Bosnian deployment was before your afghanistan deployments, but did anything of note happen on that on that. [UNKNOWN]: The Bosnian deployment was really was a sad deployment, because you'll be in a place that got [UNKNOWN]: violently destroyed, including people. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, remember when I was there, there were 20 million land mines still unknown deployed in Bosnia. [UNKNOWN]: And the people will keep losing legs and arms, kids are playing nothing and just being blow up. [UNKNOWN]: It was really, it never, I never gonna forget what this young lady told me.

1:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I was in the barracks, I didn't remember me, and she was a lady who was a boss and a boss and a lady, and she had a huge scar on her face. [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, one day, after two months, she's there, you still have some sort of confidence, what's happened to you. [UNKNOWN]: And she told me that she got raped in front of theirs, and after they finished raped, they killed theirs, but in front of her. [UNKNOWN]: and left her alone in a pool of blood, and she told me this, I know where I buried my rifle. [UNKNOWN]: And I know that you, guys, sooner or later, you're going to live.

1:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'll go and have my revenge. [UNKNOWN]: really left me speechless. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's really what you can say to her to make her a better lay. [UNKNOWN]: She was leaving the life only to be to have her revenge. [UNKNOWN]: What she saw. [UNKNOWN]: And when you stay in a place that is so violent destroyed by hate, that's why I think my friend, [UNKNOWN]: And everybody in any normal country should join the army at least for two years or a year.

1:07:25 [UNKNOWN]: To see what's really going on before go to the YouTube or online and make a fucking bullshit comment how you supposed to handle this situation or not, where you are no freaking clue what's happening outside you don't. [UNKNOWN]: That's the reality man. [UNKNOWN]: These guys are, these people that make callmenter, these people that they think that they look in the house of these guys that just he will people that want to keep people, they're not freaking close on them. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Did you find that during the rotations being when you were back home, that the support or sentiment from the Italian population for your involvement in afghanistan was significant or were they against it?

1:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: They were, they majority approved, they majority approved, you still have a lot of people that don't, but again, a bad apple always make, the bad people make way more noise than good people, but yeah, they were, they were api and they were, they were not supporting us, but you guys in America have way more support, that's for sure, way more support, which is encouraging, also [UNKNOWN]: You know, historically, you know, it wasn't always that way. [UNKNOWN]: You know, Vietnam was a pretty good example of the exact opposite of that, but it's nice to see how far it's come. [UNKNOWN]: When you're on active duty in a special operations unit in Italy, when you're back home, is that something that you are kind of demanded to keep to yourself and you're not allowed to tell people like, you have to, you have to don't talk to anybody.

1:09:02 [UNKNOWN]: Talk to the body, the body needs to know, but your wife is your wife, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So you're not supposed to even tell your wife? [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: Really? [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Man, that is very different here where families know who guys are and what they do. [UNKNOWN]: You're supposed to do wife, but of course, everybody does it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The fucking you can tell your wife what you're doing right now. [UNKNOWN]: Especially, I remember this thing, man. [UNKNOWN]: This is a memory that you never got to forget. [UNKNOWN]: to add my call from an echo my under says something's going on in Libya. [UNKNOWN]: There's a chance we need to go. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: And one o'clock in the morning, for a few days ago, I called Alex in an hour and 30 minutes.

1:09:50 [UNKNOWN]: We'll just up. [UNKNOWN]: We need to go to Libya. [UNKNOWN]: So we'll stand up, go to the bathroom, put my uniform, turn around and see my wife from a $2 at the time, on the bed, since remember that we love you. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: So how you don't share with your wife what you're doing? [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's really a common man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Your wife is the person that's... [UNKNOWN]: I real a wife. [UNKNOWN]: It's never going to. [UNKNOWN]: It's always going to be there. [UNKNOWN]: I only need to support you. [UNKNOWN]: So I remember this name this this moment. [UNKNOWN]: That that mission was a fucked up mission. [UNKNOWN]: But I remember this moment that I can never forget.

1:10:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Were you married the whole time? [UNKNOWN]: Well, yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I was married. [UNKNOWN]: I married it during training really I remember I remember finished one of the week training on the Friday morning and permission to go in Trentino to marry it and like a one day available and I come back on Tuesday [UNKNOWN]: classic military. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, some things never changed. [UNKNOWN]: Well, so while you're going through training, did she know you were going through that train? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And it sounds like a very supportive life. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Alright, so the Libya deployment, you said it was messed up and short, but you get the call 130 in the morning, get dressed.

1:11:18 [UNKNOWN]: She's, you know, showing her support, but you have to leave. [UNKNOWN]: What can you tell us about the Libya deployment? [UNKNOWN]: And was it them after Benghazi or was it two out of days before that? [UNKNOWN]: 12 days? [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: So you were there during that? [UNKNOWN]: You don't want me to talk about Benghazi, my friend, because it's in there now if I don't think that you understand what I'm thinking about Benghazi, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, the two seals that were killed were, I mean, I did two platoons with one and was an instructor with the other. [UNKNOWN]: They were both both great friends in fact. [UNKNOWN]: You see that hat in the case, Glenn Dorty, one of the seals that was killed that was his hat. [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I mean that, it's really close to home for me, but I mean, you know, just for the sake of, and there's several other guys that were there that survived that I know really, really well.

1:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would love to hear whatever you're willing to share. [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, what I, so what I did to my party was my party. [UNKNOWN]: I deployed, and we went to Lehman for people. [UNKNOWN]: And for people waiting to recover, they're telling us all the Italian embassy, everybody trying to recover them. [UNKNOWN]: And I saw the American embassy, the American embassy, everybody probably saw him and him on the track, going to one place or another. [UNKNOWN]: And the first things I said, [UNKNOWN]: when ten days later, I know it's going on, that says, that's the fucking way this guy's going around, man.

1:12:52 [UNKNOWN]: If it wasn't inside job, but it's not fucking way this guy's going around. [UNKNOWN]: And it was part of, man, it was to be in a joint special press command, waiting in Italy, people were there, waiting to go in Libya, [UNKNOWN]: 22-5 minutes of flight, with Chinook, airplane, everybody ready to go and fucking 70's modern disguise and receive a stop for the state department, America State Department to don't go there.

1:13:33 [UNKNOWN]: I've not heard that. [UNKNOWN]: I've heard of American special operations being told to stand down. [UNKNOWN]: Well, by what you think it was, the entire NATO was ready, man. [UNKNOWN]: This is not just the American special forces, but they were ready for that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because from where you were flying to Benghazi was how, how long? [UNKNOWN]: Now, I was back, you need that at the time. [UNKNOWN]: But how far of a flight is that? [UNKNOWN]: 45 minutes on a C1 tournament. [UNKNOWN]: On a C1 tournament, it's 45 minutes. [UNKNOWN]: So on F22, a Chinese with a bunch of everybody on alert. [UNKNOWN]: Everybody was on alert for the money things up. [UNKNOWN]: Everybody was on alert. [UNKNOWN]: And of course, directly, it's all this special force.

1:14:13 [UNKNOWN]: A million special forces don't go there. [UNKNOWN]: But nobody else who's allowed to move. [UNKNOWN]: Nobody else, and that was from the U.S. State Department. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Not for me. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Man, it makes my blood boil. [UNKNOWN]: They seem to depart and they told you to do the guys the same things, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: To don't go, to stand down. [UNKNOWN]: Same person. [UNKNOWN]: That's criminal. [UNKNOWN]: I imagine you guys were all super frustrated when I had him. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they were streaming the things on a predator. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You guys saw that? [UNKNOWN]: I didn't, but some of you guys. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And what's the fucking prudely? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, whatever. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Wednesday is Veterans Day, and I want to tell you about a company that's doing something real for our community.

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1:16:31 [UNKNOWN]: You tell me if you go to a deep in political things. [UNKNOWN]: So, remember, who was the counter day? [UNKNOWN]: Was so eager to put bombs on Libya? [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know, I call them friends. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay. [UNKNOWN]: two point billion dollar debts, friends, as a Libyan. [UNKNOWN]: There was a reason in a blank. [UNKNOWN]: So we were able, on the tarmac, wanting to go out and with artillery, pointed to us and keep paying cash every freaking hours to the people there because they don't want us to live. [UNKNOWN]: Because the new exactly as soon we live, [UNKNOWN]: In fact, 24 hours, France started bombarding the entire country, yeah.

1:17:18 [UNKNOWN]: So, classic example of follow the money, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The entire thing, so I don't know if you're never going to mop up to beat the debt time, things. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: that there's some dipshitting in that animation. [UNKNOWN]: And I believe that they were trying to go over a bunch of things. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't even want to talk about it because I'm not the proof, but what's up with the American, what's up with the French people, they were trying to go over a bunch of things. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's frustrating. [UNKNOWN]: From a, I guess maybe a rules of engagement or a diplomatic agreement that you guys have, [UNKNOWN]: Could Italy not have responded even though the U.S. State Department said don't do it like that they I mean, I'm not making any accusations.

1:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no. [UNKNOWN]: I think that's something that's really I don't know, but I think that Either it's part of the name as well. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they basically just were following orders. [UNKNOWN]: So I don't think I don't think that [UNKNOWN]: There's no way, I mean I have to go back and check the all the chain of things at the other way, I don't have access to that, but yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I don't see any way that Titania Gova will say, fucking as we go, yeah, I really don't see it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not, it's not realistic. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I certainly understand that.

1:18:48 [UNKNOWN]: After that happened, did that was that a catalyst for you wanting to to get out of the military after that or what was the rest of your time like? [UNKNOWN]: Again, let's put in his way. [UNKNOWN]: I had a tie at the... [UNKNOWN]: one year later. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a big part of it. [UNKNOWN]: I'm used. [UNKNOWN]: I have another side. [UNKNOWN]: It's a opportunity to come in America. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: That's for sure. [UNKNOWN]: There was a huge deal. [UNKNOWN]: But on the side, there was thinking, man, if I remember talking numbers, man, we are numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers and so many people. [UNKNOWN]: I lost so many friends. [UNKNOWN]: Other people.

1:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't, I did the same way I felt that I wasn't, I was done play basketball, because I was going to, I want to be in a special forces, the same way I was, I'm done here. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to something better from my family, whatever. [UNKNOWN]: I am curious, the process of getting out of the military in Italy, [UNKNOWN]: I imagine with as long as you've been here in the United States and knowing so many American military service members. [UNKNOWN]: It's a bit of a source spot, I think, for the lack of support for, you know, so many military folks. [UNKNOWN]: Is it the same way in Italy where the government doesn't really do much to, he had you guys have a way more real about this, you need to be in nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

1:20:17 [UNKNOWN]: So, no, no support, nothing. [UNKNOWN]: What do most guys do that have your background when they do get out, they go do contract work, and [UNKNOWN]: But the problem is, they easily call me rules about weapons and things are very strict. [UNKNOWN]: So people, we might acknowledge it. [UNKNOWN]: In Italy, there's not all things to do. [UNKNOWN]: We need to find the private company that hire people like you. [UNKNOWN]: We need to find private contractor you go overseas. [UNKNOWN]: Here in America, you have a way more capability and more chance to actually be useful. [UNKNOWN]: I'd be used in Italy last. [UNKNOWN]: One of the frustrations, when I came in America and I started working in movies, I mean, my first couple of years in America wasn't great, because I came for a reason and up to do some other stuff.

1:21:11 [UNKNOWN]: But since the movie business was failing at the beginning, I try to rejoin the army and apply for... [UNKNOWN]: everywhere. [UNKNOWN]: But at the point, there was an American citizen. [UNKNOWN]: So my skills were useless because the two have to use my skills, you need to have a security decladence. [UNKNOWN]: And don't be an American citizen, it was useless. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But before we get into kind of as you got out and kind of what came next to a couple of notes that I have that just wanted to talk.

1:21:52 [UNKNOWN]: One is completely unrelated, but just because I'm always curious about it. [UNKNOWN]: I love to eat. [UNKNOWN]: I love Italian food. [UNKNOWN]: You said there's a lot of passion behind it. [UNKNOWN]: Is the Italian military food decent or is it like course, yeah, it's way better than it's ridiculous Yeah, even if you can't get in my eye. [UNKNOWN]: No, it's this big. [UNKNOWN]: I can you get some age Taste divide in three meal. [UNKNOWN]: Blanche breakfast dinner. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah [UNKNOWN]: It's really, it's not meant to be a meh that I'm in fact, it's really, you got coffee, you got alcohol, you got the dessert, you got pasta, they have alcohol and they are in the course [UNKNOWN]: No, it's fact in reality that you are being given Italian MRI and you're just basically disemble and you go to this Italian American army in Siliconia, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean [UNKNOWN]: I gotta get a hold of some of those.

1:22:57 [UNKNOWN]: I think some of them, some of them are all again here, but if you Google it to tell them what I, you're gonna find that it's this size for one day. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, here you go. [UNKNOWN]: But like even on base, the food is really, really good. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course, yeah, I think it's always the best for you. [UNKNOWN]: But you see, that's the end. [UNKNOWN]: We built an oven in Farah. [UNKNOWN]: Oh really? [UNKNOWN]: We actually, one by my people, but our unit, we built an pizza oven. [UNKNOWN]: And every Saturday was a Italian festival. [UNKNOWN]: Since there was no alcohol out in the entire barracks. [UNKNOWN]: So we have a tent to cover all the tickets. [UNKNOWN]: Because we have our unit, our army, everything. [UNKNOWN]: So everything was covered. [UNKNOWN]: You can't see it for access, right?

1:23:38 [UNKNOWN]: So in the end, every Saturday night, we open the door, American people will come, we close the door, bunch of beers. [UNKNOWN]: That's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, where are you secure or source ingredients for pizza and rural Afghanistan? [UNKNOWN]: E-name, weapons. [UNKNOWN]: So you guys smuggled in pizza and you smuggled up food from, yeah, man, yeah, from the whole, man, that's hilarious. [UNKNOWN]: Two notes I have on jumps in training. [UNKNOWN]: One was a 5,000 meter jump and then also a malfunction in Spain.

1:24:21 [UNKNOWN]: Can you tell those two stories? [UNKNOWN]: how you know that? [UNKNOWN]: I told you. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's that was something that uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh um uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh [UNKNOWN]: and it's worth that session, you don't feel nothing. [UNKNOWN]: I wasn't feeling that what the fuck is happening. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm sure I'm gonna say, if I see this little black tiny thing, just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, [UNKNOWN]: But when I did that, and I looked at the ground, I saw the ground so thick and closer than I just opened it all the way.

1:25:14 [UNKNOWN]: And as you know, it can be a mistake. [UNKNOWN]: Because they need to change, your things can be tangled. [UNKNOWN]: And I opened it, and the parachute to open it, [UNKNOWN]: But they gave me a wrong amount of energy. [UNKNOWN]: They gave me an amount of energy for around 35 feet. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, in 220. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So there was this little flag on top of why things fly. [UNKNOWN]: So what is the fact that it rests on my parachute? [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha. [UNKNOWN]: So by then I just managed to land. [UNKNOWN]: I just got a little boom, boom, boom, boom. [UNKNOWN]: I landed. [UNKNOWN]: And of course, well, though, the guy came in and checking on Chakomi. [UNKNOWN]: And he went to the airport to the anger. [UNKNOWN]: And I said, [UNKNOWN]: Please, let me jump again, in another way, because my fear was, I flicked shit in my pants, man.

1:26:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my thing is, if I don't jump today, tomorrow, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: So, let me go jump in there, playing right away. [UNKNOWN]: So I can get out and yeah, but there was a nice reset, I remember there were other sets. [UNKNOWN]: And I think it's God that Miami stakes don't cut and open the way they didn't [UNKNOWN]: do anything but in the next day forth in that guy died the same way. [UNKNOWN]: Oh really I spent a guy at that same day they see in the next day. [UNKNOWN]: The next day. [UNKNOWN]: Do you guys not pack your own parachutes? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah we do pack your own parachutes.

1:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: Why not the emergency? [UNKNOWN]: Oh okay. [UNKNOWN]: Wow man the very next day so I wonder if anything's a bad batch of shoes. [UNKNOWN]: What's the Spain Potter shoes? [UNKNOWN]: So it wasn't us it was it was them. [UNKNOWN]: I would make me, I would be leary to use anyone else's parachutes, you know, I would want to bring. [UNKNOWN]: That's the, the fact that what you do in your training, you, basically, to, you know, the World Bank and French Spain, what you do in your two, to gain the American wings, the Spanish wings, so you need to jump with their material. [UNKNOWN]: Really. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Huh. [UNKNOWN]: That's that. [UNKNOWN]: So basically what we're doing, we use the Spain, the Spain, the Italian, and so we share all the wings together, the wings on another country, but the next day, the guy, I think what's happened, you got him on a function, he's started to spin so fast and then he passed away.

1:27:45 [UNKNOWN]: My eating was spinning too fast. [UNKNOWN]: He was doing too fast. [UNKNOWN]: So the cyber's got tangled and yeah, man, that's terrible. [UNKNOWN]: So you decide to get out at 16 years. [UNKNOWN]: And Italy is the 20-year mark the full retirement or you can go to five. [UNKNOWN]: It's 45 years? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: To retire? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: 45 years. [UNKNOWN]: It's insane. [UNKNOWN]: And does anybody do that? [UNKNOWN]: Anybody go to 445 and you can't, you can't, you can't, there's not a time before that. [UNKNOWN]: So you get nothing. [UNKNOWN]: Nothing. [UNKNOWN]: So even at 38 years. [UNKNOWN]: Nothing. [UNKNOWN]: You get nothing. [UNKNOWN]: Nothing. [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy. [UNKNOWN]: That's not telling you. [UNKNOWN]: People don't realize or like you the other, you know what I mean?

1:28:26 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you need that it's, it's really, it's a sacrifice. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 45 years, they're really, as you know, there is no way that you can do in special fourth things, 45. [UNKNOWN]: That's the fucking way. [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, it's rare for guys to be 40 years old doing it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: There's a few, but yeah, that's the way. [UNKNOWN]: So you end up to being an officer to try to do something and then pass your time and to try to go to retirement, my yes, 45 years. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Do you know, I guess, nation-wide about how many Italian military personnel there are? [UNKNOWN]: I'm not in 25,000. [UNKNOWN]: 125,000. [UNKNOWN]: I think it would be Italian army tall, but it's on either 25 and a 30,000, yes.

1:29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well. [UNKNOWN]: All right, so a year after the Libya mission or deployment, you decide to get out. [UNKNOWN]: Can you walk us through? [UNKNOWN]: kind of the decision-making process and how you got out and what came first. [UNKNOWN]: So in that process, my mom, there was a mom, was a session manager and legal opportunity for South Europe for that in lines, and she was session in Italy, she had a five-station on the time. [UNKNOWN]: And Shilataila, Shilataila that she went to Pichri City, Pichri City is in Atlanta, Salat Airport.

1:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: And Pichri City used to be still there. [UNKNOWN]: Still a huge Delta Alliance pilot crew hub. [UNKNOWN]: Everybody lives there. [UNKNOWN]: So when she decided to return to open a business, she came in Pichri City to open an international restaurant. [UNKNOWN]: together in my sister Christiana. [UNKNOWN]: They came here in 2008, the rest in 2009. [UNKNOWN]: One of the first customers of the restaurant was a guy named Bobby Vasquez. [UNKNOWN]: Bobby Vasquez was [UNKNOWN]: But it's an added. [UNKNOWN]: And the president looked at the local 479 student mechanics.

1:30:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's a union for the most business. [UNKNOWN]: In order of a special effect company. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, mom is mom, right? [UNKNOWN]: So mom, I started talking to him. [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, I have to get an instant. [UNKNOWN]: I just went to Libya. [UNKNOWN]: I started talking about my story, my story, my story, my story. [UNKNOWN]: And one day, I was enough to get an instant. [UNKNOWN]: And I received a zmail from him, says, this is a bobby vaskos, so we'll love you to sponsor to live in America to work in America as a special effect condition. [UNKNOWN]: My answer to this guy is, was, look, I know how to blow things up. [UNKNOWN]: Everything else in the movie, I'm not freaking out yet. [UNKNOWN]: You need to guide me, but we'll take, I will think about it.

1:31:15 [UNKNOWN]: Talk to my wife, our dream was to come in America. [UNKNOWN]: So I came back from the deployment and I decided I will start to train for another deployment and I decided I need to go. [UNKNOWN]: I want to go. [UNKNOWN]: I want to see go in America. [UNKNOWN]: I want to look. [UNKNOWN]: I want to fulfil my dream together in America. [UNKNOWN]: Is that frowned upon? [UNKNOWN]: Like did the guys that you work with where they upset that you? [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean it's [UNKNOWN]: Accept, envy, it's a mix, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Appy, people that I still love talk to all of them. [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, talk to all of them, like, two hours ago, and they sent me like a new picture, so some of them, and some deploy some way, I'd be bad naked by that.

1:32:08 [UNKNOWN]: And then I came here. [UNKNOWN]: And I came here, I take the leap of fate. [UNKNOWN]: And I came here, and they started America, and Jordan. [UNKNOWN]: and how how has that gone was it as you expected was it harder than you thought easier was a nightmare nightmare what happened he was an itemer because i came here and i started to work as a special effect technician and that was good i mean uh... new job and your most problem is uh... set eight months later [UNKNOWN]: Dig Bobbi died. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, really for heart attack.

1:32:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man. [UNKNOWN]: Two months of Bobbi died. [UNKNOWN]: My mom died. [UNKNOWN]: Sorry. [UNKNOWN]: And in the same process while I was working in webis. [UNKNOWN]: I was visiting my sister restaurant. [UNKNOWN]: They were doing good. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was always packed. [UNKNOWN]: And I found my sister crying on the side of the bathroom and I said, what's happening? [UNKNOWN]: Alex, I'm hurting my back hurting, I can't afford to go to the hospital, no money. [UNKNOWN]: What's wrong? [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the rest of my life is always busy. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, my partner, we're supposed to have a partner. [UNKNOWN]: We don't have no money. [UNKNOWN]: It's fucking weird.

1:33:31 [UNKNOWN]: So I start to press this guy's partner, my sister's partner, and we thanks to Bob, his friend, that we, in Cristiano and Dave were, my sister and Dave, we found out that this guy was stolen money for the rest of the country. [UNKNOWN]: Is he American? [UNKNOWN]: Italian. [UNKNOWN]: Italian. [UNKNOWN]: But I used to have a social security number. [UNKNOWN]: That's why we part of the name, because the use to have a restaurant in here, and for my sister was, I mean, you have a red restaurant in America, you have a certain name, you don't want this in your work. [UNKNOWN]: You have a chef. [UNKNOWN]: He was a, I agree, a nice opportunity to be a restaurant, right? [UNKNOWN]: He found out that we found out it was totally modern for us.

1:34:15 [UNKNOWN]: So I was able to kick him out and sign everything so much his name, and it was gone. [UNKNOWN]: We tried Colomot. [UNKNOWN]: I got a bunch of phenomenal security. [UNKNOWN]: We can't say the visor the way we put a ball on him. [UNKNOWN]: He went to Venezuela. [UNKNOWN]: It's a pier. [UNKNOWN]: And three weeks later, we got a wheel from the RS of taxes done paid, alone it talked from the money from itself, on the rest of the BF. [UNKNOWN]: So, basically, in a span of five months, I got lost my boss, I lost my mother, and my sister restaurant was going bankrupt. [UNKNOWN]: a night or a night, so I end up myself to washing dishes at the restaurant for two years and there's nothing wrong to washing dishes.

1:35:07 [UNKNOWN]: But if you think me as a special force captain, [UNKNOWN]: Wash in this system where I stood out, I was the pretzels for me, the pretzels for me. [UNKNOWN]: But they all tried to do my best to help me, a 12 of my family, my sister, she was left alone. [UNKNOWN]: In a country there was no other country, we no money and a bunch of debt. [UNKNOWN]: So, then we start to work way through, in a meantime, was a rough change location, rest ramps, and in 2014, I saw an unfaithbook, an audition for military role, for moving surgeon.

1:35:54 [UNKNOWN]: And I said, let me try. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: In addition, I apply for audition. [UNKNOWN]: I apply for this audition for the moving subject, and I show up. [UNKNOWN]: There were 200 extra, 20, 50 stampi, or three people to run your audition. [UNKNOWN]: It's time-coding, two stack-coding, and a minute at a time. [UNKNOWN]: And the media advisor came up, we says, guys, or on his edition, I want to see, you have this scene, I want to see what can do with this web on these things. [UNKNOWN]: It's raise my hand, they gave me the rifle, and it is five step, man.

1:36:38 [UNKNOWN]: I'm telling five steps. [UNKNOWN]: It's like you know, you can see right away, somebody knows what's they're doing. [UNKNOWN]: And you know what kind of job you do? [UNKNOWN]: Even so much, whatever, right? [UNKNOWN]: So, the neighbors here came to me, Duffy, what's your background? [UNKNOWN]: Special resources. [UNKNOWN]: The stanker teenagers approached me, Wade Allen, stanker teenagers of lioness right now. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Which unit? [UNKNOWN]: Nine of the Reds even called Mosquine. [UNKNOWN]: And already there is a fucking number unit. [UNKNOWN]: You know, you can't hold you no more about my unit, you need another, right?

1:37:21 [UNKNOWN]: You know Marco, my first one, in the last name. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do know Marco. [UNKNOWN]: Hi, you know Marco, hold for a second. [UNKNOWN]: You went away, grab the phone, call Marco, give me the phone, ask the phone, Marco, Marco says, oh, it's what the fuck it's happening. [UNKNOWN]: Marco is a fucking old story, I explain you later. [UNKNOWN]: It's just the way Dalin was a combat medic, between before, join, be sure to work in my business. [UNKNOWN]: In the combat medic training, you went to Israel, and did a special force joint training with my unit.

1:38:05 [UNKNOWN]: It became close friend, we Marko. [UNKNOWN]: So basically, [UNKNOWN]: the way they know exactly, that's why I call Marko to vouch for what I'm from. [UNKNOWN]: And none of the guy that says, you know, I mean, people, I mean, this pressure forces, I mean, in ABC, too, you have an American, like a couple of millions. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: To vouch for me. [UNKNOWN]: So, finish the conversation. [UNKNOWN]: The conversation, Wade and Duffy brought me to the rest of our coordinator, darling Prescott, and brought me to director. [UNKNOWN]: It produces a way, it definitely says, look, I'm gonna stay here for a week then it'll go back to California.

1:38:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'll listen to it, we'll take care of the movie as a leader advice. [UNKNOWN]: Amy, I'm watching this since I fall into my eyes as a what the fuck it's up, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Amy, as an Italian, a special falls guy, is, of course I can't, absolutely. [UNKNOWN]: Remember, when I was signing the rest of them, just screaming, I was fucking crazy, man, what the fuck? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my God, that's strong. [UNKNOWN]: And then come out, okay, let's do that. [UNKNOWN]: And that's how I start, man. [UNKNOWN]: Wow, that's how I start. [UNKNOWN]: And you've done tons of things since, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can you go through the list of everything you've been a part of? [UNKNOWN]: I work on all the divergence series. [UNKNOWN]: I was a meter above, the divergence series. [UNKNOWN]: I work on sure all the dangers, work on Spider-Man, I work on a budget show, yeah, I love the show.

1:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: And it's telling me what's the land in the 65, no? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow. [UNKNOWN]: And then the majority, well, not the majority is a stomp or formus. [UNKNOWN]: A lot of a meter advisor in a lot of an actor. [UNKNOWN]: In 2015, after that, I had to open my company, and that's a meter advising in Atlanta. [UNKNOWN]: It's a good luck showing it to you, and we did a lot of shows a meter advisor for that. [UNKNOWN]: We had any stunts go wrong? [UNKNOWN]: No, no, thanks God, no. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really. [UNKNOWN]: What's the craziest stunt you've done? [UNKNOWN]: Jumpy from an exploding boat in Savanna when the boat was running.

1:40:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And the wind of the supposed to jump through was this size. [UNKNOWN]: You're not a small guy. [UNKNOWN]: No, no small guy. [UNKNOWN]: Man, I'm freaking jumping. [UNKNOWN]: You got it. [UNKNOWN]: And then my fear was, what did the boat was going to turn and chop me off, right? [UNKNOWN]: So I remember jumping and when the jumping and the water tried to go as deep as a fucking game. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: That was nice. [UNKNOWN]: When things went wrong with the restaurant, did the thought of moving back to Italy ever? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, my wife is a little weird at need of me. [UNKNOWN]: So my wife is doing what are we doing in Alex? [UNKNOWN]: We're really doing here. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we went to $50,000 at the Kodi County Department, man.

1:40:52 [UNKNOWN]: We brought, we burnt all our money. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and then there was a family keep in telling us, move back, move back, move back, move back. [UNKNOWN]: If I remember my mother said, show me my wife. [UNKNOWN]: Eleanor says, Alex, if you go back, we know what I'm back. [UNKNOWN]: We're not going to go back here if you go back. [UNKNOWN]: As somehow, God's whatever it is, whatever it is we just [UNKNOWN]: said I need to keep going, I need to keep going, I need to keep going. [UNKNOWN]: But T.L.I. [UNKNOWN]: found opportunity when it was two years, man. [UNKNOWN]: Two years was pain.

1:41:33 [UNKNOWN]: Two years is a long time, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, doing something like going from a captain's special forces to washing dishes for two years. [UNKNOWN]: That's a long two years, I imagine. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, that's incredible. [UNKNOWN]: Do you go back to Italy often? [UNKNOWN]: Really? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So you haven't been back since 13? [UNKNOWN]: No, man. [UNKNOWN]: That is why I want to go back to something that I love for now. [UNKNOWN]: It's almost the, almost something interior, I mean, it says, I want to go back as a winner.

1:42:15 [UNKNOWN]: It's not at all because I mean, I did a lot of things, so I should come back easily or not, but I want to go back there and that's why I'm so hoping that next year I'm working a movie that's supposed to be needed that is going to happen, but I'm producing, I'm in the main lead, and then the movie, I want to go back any of the day on my own term. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so you haven't even visited since 2013? [UNKNOWN]: Wow, can you say what the movie is or is it, too? [UNKNOWN]: It's called Carl Banger, it's, right now, I produce one of my producers, that we need to do a scout location. [UNKNOWN]: It's a movie that's going to be supported by San Marino. [UNKNOWN]: San Marino is a state, [UNKNOWN]: Is that a public inside the Italian peninsula?

1:42:59 [UNKNOWN]: It's not a Italian government inside the peninsula. [UNKNOWN]: Supported by the state, it's going to be based some of them on my life. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, really? [UNKNOWN]: The passage from sport to the army came back here. [UNKNOWN]: And of course, it's going to be romansist. [UNKNOWN]: a little bit beat to make the moral, it's the mafis involved with this kebal, it's about to vengeance and about, to try to protect, so it was secret, to try to find some money in this ideally place of stay, so we get them the financing when guiding the things right now, so that's my hope, now that's cool. [UNKNOWN]: What all movies have you acted in?

1:43:41 [UNKNOWN]: I did five season on my guy, really. [UNKNOWN]: And I play in Italian guy, every single episode, the different one. [UNKNOWN]: And I just finished a movie called Da Vinci. [UNKNOWN]: It's about a lot of Da Vinci story, where I was an actor. [UNKNOWN]: Was an actor of the last, Dwayne Johnson movie. [UNKNOWN]: Chris was a movie called Red One. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, you run that? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really. [UNKNOWN]: I've seen it. [UNKNOWN]: I've seen it, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You remember the beach sequence when you go to the beach? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The guy that's talking to him and fight you, huh? [UNKNOWN]: That's right. [UNKNOWN]: That's awesome, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I took my youngest daughter to see that last year. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: I'll have to tell her, so get a kick out of that.

1:44:24 [UNKNOWN]: Between acting, advising, and stunt work, do you have a favorite? [UNKNOWN]: I love the militar advising, because I love the twataly, people portrayed who we are, and not just stupid. [UNKNOWN]: The crazy things that the people do in the movies and a lot to give reality and the recognition we deserve are the miser-visors, stunt and love the action. [UNKNOWN]: actor acting a love that you are capable to actually deliver a more profound message. [UNKNOWN]: Because during the acting performance, you actually can deliver a message. [UNKNOWN]: And I think as I feel makers, we have the responsibility to deliver a good message.

1:45:10 [UNKNOWN]: Because we can reach a lot of people. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And that's why I think... [UNKNOWN]: I have a lot of acting because you can show part of humanity, then it will be seen more. [UNKNOWN]: I think what we need to see more now is men, men, be protectors, be kind as well. [UNKNOWN]: Because somehow, somehow, the society thinks that a man, if it's a protector, it's just a villain violent. [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we know violence, we don't want violence, so we want peace and there's something that people don't give it.

1:45:51 [UNKNOWN]: I think you think you agree with that. [UNKNOWN]: The people who want peace, the people who are the people who want to war, the people who let's stay home. [UNKNOWN]: For sure. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, one of my favorite things is, you know, Jordan Peterson, I think, summarized it really well, where, you know, a harmless man is not a good man, you know, and that a good man is a dangerous man that keeps it under control and is only dangerous and violent when absolutely necessary. [UNKNOWN]: Good enough. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I agree. [UNKNOWN]: I think that that [UNKNOWN]: principle is largely lost on society nowadays which is which is terrible.

1:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have a kind of dream and goal with what you're doing now? [UNKNOWN]: I would love to become an actor, an actor that protects the kind of characters to give more knowledge, more light of men's of what humanity can do and give voice to a part of our society [UNKNOWN]: cannot be kind or cannot be strong at the same time. [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's a lot of hope that we can create to show this side of your months and because, yeah, is there a current actor or role that kind of epitomizes what you're talking about?

1:47:27 [UNKNOWN]: Believe it or not, one of the most actors that admire the most is Denzel Washington. [UNKNOWN]: It's a very humble person, very talented. [UNKNOWN]: And you actually, you can see in his movie, this violence and kindiness at the same time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And it's a very good human being too. [UNKNOWN]: That's a watch is a very good human being. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love it. [UNKNOWN]: One of my favorites for sure. [UNKNOWN]: I noticed you didn't mention your father other than originally saying he was a professional basketball player. [UNKNOWN]: Is he still with us? [UNKNOWN]: He's still with us. [UNKNOWN]: My father is still with me. [UNKNOWN]: He actually, after that, he was a manager for General Motors on the American company and needed a scope of Opel and for 40 years.

1:48:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, still with us, he still had a restaurant, he loved enjoy the photography, he did a couple of years, a room underground, he was an archeologist after it, and then he's with us, and yeah, it's with us. [UNKNOWN]: So he's in America now too. [UNKNOWN]: He's in America. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's good. [UNKNOWN]: You become American citizen three years ago? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I become American citizen, you become American citizen one year ago. [UNKNOWN]: I become American citizen. [UNKNOWN]: two, four months, five months before the elections. [UNKNOWN]: So 2024? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Does Italy require that you denounce citizens?

1:48:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: You can have dual citizens. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Is that something that is widely accepted or is that something? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The only way, the only time you need to [UNKNOWN]: you need to abide or lost one of the citizens if you cover specific role in the government. [UNKNOWN]: I think, [UNKNOWN]: Because he can have a top clearance, secure service, top clearance, so he can even if he had to do it this step. [UNKNOWN]: But I think that some position, for the same problem, I mean, that's not my case, but I don't think that if you are the CI head, you can have dual citizen, I think FBI, high end FBI, you can.

1:49:42 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's really, it depends on what you're doing. [UNKNOWN]: I know you haven't been back to Italy since 2013, but in the last decade plus there's been a lot of news coverage of North African migrants moving into Spain, Italy, Europe, generally speaking. [UNKNOWN]: It's a mess. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: When ISIS ran through Iraq and Syria, millions of refugees poured into Europe, then, in keeping in touch with friends, family, etc., there, what's your perception of what's going on? [UNKNOWN]: The perception is that these guys need to stop what they're doing right now. [UNKNOWN]: They need to, actually, think Europe voted for our turning point of this politics because the reality.

1:50:29 [UNKNOWN]: What these guys don't understand? [UNKNOWN]: is that, I don't know, refugees are not 25 years old gray shape men with an iPhone. [UNKNOWN]: That's not fucking a refugee. [UNKNOWN]: Right, you see that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The Fuji is a whole man, uh, women and child. [UNKNOWN]: These are refugees. [UNKNOWN]: These guys that came in, not refugees. [UNKNOWN]: They are coming for two or three reasons. [UNKNOWN]: One is just being a country, do what they're freaking they want, got some money, and because they're criminal in their country. [UNKNOWN]: Two. [UNKNOWN]: work here, maybe legally, maybe not, grab the money from your government and send the home. [UNKNOWN]: And these actually believe not, it's a problem because you have to detect money from your government, your state, and you send somebody else.

1:51:15 [UNKNOWN]: But a lot of them, they are infiltrated. [UNKNOWN]: There are people that just want to stabilize these things. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there are, for fact, a moment of migrant for my thesis, infiltrated in these people to actually gain access to Europe. [UNKNOWN]: It's proven, it's on paper. [UNKNOWN]: It's not that I come up with bullshit. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you see it happening in France right now. [UNKNOWN]: Would you say that the majority of home-grown local Italians feel that same way? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're tired of it. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Do you feel like the current Italian government is looking out for the people in that way? [UNKNOWN]: They're trying.

1:51:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: They're trying. [UNKNOWN]: Off is the first [UNKNOWN]: The mass migration need to be stopped. [UNKNOWN]: The problem in Europe, in America, somehow you guys are protected. [UNKNOWN]: Because you can come from Mexico. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, really, that's it. [UNKNOWN]: Because I mean, there's two gigantic pool of water left to right, right? [UNKNOWN]: In Europe, you can walk through. [UNKNOWN]: And that's the main thing, even by water, some place in Africa is 45 minutes of on a boat.

1:52:37 [UNKNOWN]: So it's nothing. [UNKNOWN]: So they need to enforce the stop of the migration, like a poll on the deed, does, right now. [UNKNOWN]: And they need to send them back home. [UNKNOWN]: And if you want to help them build something in their own country to actually help them and do it by their life. [UNKNOWN]: There are people that are making money on these guys. [UNKNOWN]: In America, for example, the cartel are making huge profit on smuggling people in it. [UNKNOWN]: I met years ago, I got this to go on to support on 150,000 dollar loan to the cartel.

1:53:20 [UNKNOWN]: How you think the word this guy is never going to pay this debt? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he never paid this debt. [UNKNOWN]: So you need to dismantle this criminal organization in Europe, in Africa, in Mexico, whatever, and stop them using these guys as a currency. [UNKNOWN]: Because that's what they're doing. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Do you think that if for when you go back to Italy, it'll be unrecognizable in some ways? [UNKNOWN]: Roma is Roma. [UNKNOWN]: It's been for 2000 years and I'm going to be destroyed a bunch of things, but it's a I know a lot of things change. [UNKNOWN]: I see people tell me a lot of change, but the core of the talent people are never going to change. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but [UNKNOWN]: in the Roman.

1:54:02 [UNKNOWN]: In North Italy, I mean, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Things are way worse. [UNKNOWN]: Really? [UNKNOWN]: In the north. [UNKNOWN]: In the north. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would have assumed it would be in the south coming up from North Africa. [UNKNOWN]: Why in the north? [UNKNOWN]: Because in the south, that is something that is still present. [UNKNOWN]: It's not the mafia. [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't put up with anything. [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't put up with that. [UNKNOWN]: You don't bring, because think about this. [UNKNOWN]: It's a business. [UNKNOWN]: Ten's gold. [UNKNOWN]: There's not a reason to their major Tarris attack in Italy Because they have that check and balance because the reality if you the gold think about the gold for Napoli, right?

1:54:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure. [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they said a bullshit. [UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure the half of them is owned by the mafia You really want them kind of my business model to be destroyed by a bomb [UNKNOWN]: They don't play bullshit, the mafia doesn't play a bullshit, it doesn't need to fall the role of the government, it doesn't need to fall any kind of rules, you are a terrorist you smuggly here, they're gonna find you, they're gonna dispose you. [UNKNOWN]: So the mafia presence is overwhelming only in the South. [UNKNOWN]: It's a lot on the north to give me wrong, when the south is over war, and the people of the south are way fiercer than people in the north. [UNKNOWN]: Really? [UNKNOWN]: Why is that? [UNKNOWN]: Just because of the mafia.

1:55:24 [UNKNOWN]: Not just because they're fiercer. [UNKNOWN]: They're just people in the south. [UNKNOWN]: They're just hard of not guy, man. [UNKNOWN]: So as an American to go and visit Italy now, you'd say stay in the south. [UNKNOWN]: Stay in the south. [UNKNOWN]: You know, stand us out by a safe man. [UNKNOWN]: It's not, don't follow the news. [UNKNOWN]: It's pretty much safe. [UNKNOWN]: You don't have to be stupid then to go around with a bunch of money like I can do anywhere, even here. [UNKNOWN]: But it's safe, you know. [UNKNOWN]: Is there any must visit spots that you would recommend? [UNKNOWN]: Not all, man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Anything in particular? [UNKNOWN]: Like the beauty for a Roma that you can spend days and to visit, I mean, I lived there for 25 years, as it plays there, I don't know.

1:56:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I think the best option is to go and try to don't follow the touristic path and you're going to find, always find something to go to do your Roma. [UNKNOWN]: Have you been to the Vatican? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like inside it, no? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like special access that most people wouldn't get. [UNKNOWN]: one day, but wasn't for, it was to talk to our top priest, but at least the Vatican Museum, I still see the Vatican Archives, the one in the public's access. [UNKNOWN]: I do see where they are, the one in the public access, either the huge.

1:56:48 [UNKNOWN]: The Vatican is a, it's a, it's a, [UNKNOWN]: It's a kind of a kind place. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you can buy a little state, very powerful, because you imagine what you can see, it's very powerful. [UNKNOWN]: Ones a lot of probably entire world in Italy as well. [UNKNOWN]: I think I'm not, if I don't mistake and almost the 45% or the historical building in Rome, homes by the Vatican, wow. [UNKNOWN]: They have a don't security, they're very strict, [UNKNOWN]: And for me the body is always a fascinating thing. [UNKNOWN]: I don't like sometimes their politics because is the one the Pope says, you need to accept them but you can go to body again.

1:57:36 [UNKNOWN]: That's right, you can't. [UNKNOWN]: You can't have any of the body can see the ship. [UNKNOWN]: If you don't up, if you're not a priest, [UNKNOWN]: or if you know work for the Vatican, you can't ever buy that. [UNKNOWN]: But somehow, the other country in the world, we need to open the door for everybody, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So this contradicts this contradiction, and I don't like that, but how would you say the general consensus of the Italian people, country wise, view the Vatican and the Pope? [UNKNOWN]: 19% to people, it's not a catalytic. [UNKNOWN]: So, it's for us, it's a 99%. [UNKNOWN]: 19%. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't realize it was that high. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably the one percent is the England.

1:58:20 [UNKNOWN]: So, for us to divide you guys like, yeah, headquarters. [UNKNOWN]: To go to Italy now is there a single restaurant that's a must, must eat any of them. [UNKNOWN]: If you like Carti Chokes, artichokes, there's a famous Jewish restaurant in the gate of Roma, the Jewish gate to the 335 as a restaurant. [UNKNOWN]: Still there, they made incredible fried artichokes. [UNKNOWN]: A Jewish fried artichoke. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't have that on my bingo card for what you'd recommend. [UNKNOWN]: It's a unique piece of you don't know about it.

1:59:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, it's all that I still answer. [UNKNOWN]: Italy, you can eat this really a place that you cannot eat a great food. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Do you have a favorite iconic Italian brand of any kind? [UNKNOWN]: Well, I was a sponsor for Beretta for several years. [UNKNOWN]: I try to put Beretta in a bunch of movies left right. [UNKNOWN]: So Beretta for Beretta is the oldest manufacturing in the world. [UNKNOWN]: Five hundred years old. [UNKNOWN]: Beretta, the weapon, and then of course facial wise, nobody can beat Armani, Valentino. [UNKNOWN]: Do you have an Armani suit? [UNKNOWN]: I do have a suit.

1:59:40 [UNKNOWN]: Of course you have to, right? [UNKNOWN]: You can't not have one. [UNKNOWN]: Ducati Ferrari. [UNKNOWN]: No, I never got a Ducati, I didn't even have a Ferrari. [UNKNOWN]: I guess one of the things that I find fascinating is I've actually never been to Italy, but I know guys who are into cars and bikes and stuff that have gone and gone to Magello and you know, tour the factory and written on the track there and stuff and they said that you didn't see many Faris or Ducati's or, you know, in Italy, you see more here and in Europe and... [UNKNOWN]: They dispatched him, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I dispatched him. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I dispatched him. [UNKNOWN]: Think about this, Italy, it's a country built different in America.

2:00:21 [UNKNOWN]: All right, think about the garage. [UNKNOWN]: Very few houses have garage in Italy. [UNKNOWN]: It's not a parking lot for our industry. [UNKNOWN]: Ain't no parking, I've already said. [UNKNOWN]: So really, you need to have a lot of money to add to the villa. [UNKNOWN]: Now, a single home here with a garage in America, I'm not said everybody has it, but it's very common. [UNKNOWN]: He needs that, it's not. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we live in place like Roma, [UNKNOWN]: There's no garage, there's one common garage, it's very rare to have a garage, even the way to store these things is difficult. [UNKNOWN]: You have for money, even if you live in the center of Rome, you have a tons of money, you want to buy Ferrari, you want to park it in Ferrari. [UNKNOWN]: And Dukati, Dukati are not very common because they are hard drive.

2:01:07 [UNKNOWN]: If you know how to ride the bike, you know that Dukati is hard to drive. [UNKNOWN]: When you can buy a non-dynamic, especially a non-dynamic, it's way easier to drive. [UNKNOWN]: That's a way cheaper, a way cheaper. [UNKNOWN]: Hello, I a bucket list item for me for sure is to go to Italy and spend several weeks there. [UNKNOWN]: I'll have to give you a shout before I do it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I can give you a lot of things to do with their bed there, cheaper, and I'm known by totus. [UNKNOWN]: Awesome. [UNKNOWN]: What's next for you? [UNKNOWN]: Next for me, and I'm trying to put together the all the dots to make this movie next year. [UNKNOWN]: Again, now my one producer, Niva, she's an eater now to do scout location of some places in Roma.

2:01:55 [UNKNOWN]: And she goes to somebody in her next week. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad that they're financing. [UNKNOWN]: I'm waiting for the go and approval to their funding. [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be a money game for us. [UNKNOWN]: that we're not taking them back so it's a good thing to show to other investors we have a bunch of money in the table that we're not taking them back so you can come up with the same amount of money to have double counter investment so my goal right now is to follow from that so it's follow from this more I think it's gonna happen a lot of people [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to plug the name of the restaurant?

2:02:39 [UNKNOWN]: The name is Borde Gautitalia, and it's in Oya. [UNKNOWN]: Right outside of Atlanta. [UNKNOWN]: Right outside of Atlanta. [UNKNOWN]: In Oya, it's a city known for walking bed. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay. [UNKNOWN]: Where they shot all the walking bed. [UNKNOWN]: We got at the Midlust in Oya in the rest. [UNKNOWN]: That's called Borde Gautitalia. [UNKNOWN]: It's a bit of a 16 years. [UNKNOWN]: Zero signature dish there. [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't, the chef is Capia, my sister-in-law, my sister, we do fresh pasta, we do everything 90% in leanings from Italy, we do really talent cuisine and not American ice cuisine, so that's why I don't miss it on the food because I have every other restaurant, so my help, my, my, I want to go to the restaurant when I can't, when I can, and because I, [UNKNOWN]: I have my face, I know my face attract people there and about a bunch of producers, director, casting director, actors, coming to the restaurant for the reason.

2:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, and I need to have my sister, my sister, my sister, my little sister. [UNKNOWN]: And I have a wonderful niece Sophia. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, nice. [UNKNOWN]: They put on a move with the Welsh Finnish guest today, so go. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, really? [UNKNOWN]: This move is called get her. [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be probably behind it in a month. [UNKNOWN]: It's about human traffic. [UNKNOWN]: So we need to fight human traffic. [UNKNOWN]: I try to make a move where you don't see any go any [UNKNOWN]: reality, but any bad things can happen, because I want the audience to see it. [UNKNOWN]: For example, the movie that Stallone did by Ivan Trafic, the last rambo.

2:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: It's real. [UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, I think he made too much gore, too much violent, to the people just... [UNKNOWN]: shutting off. [UNKNOWN]: Now I want I did a movie to get it's going to be a movie that totally show what's happening without showing the goal, but show the recovery, the show, the the save them, so they willing to save everybody. [UNKNOWN]: So I was adding on the good message. [UNKNOWN]: So the movie off is going to be released in a month. [UNKNOWN]: So, one for the laser, while working from a rest of my sister, building the other movie, raise my three dogs, my wife for now, I have a little summer nerd there, it's fine, five months old and seven years old, seven years old, seven years old, 14 years old, something, yeah.

2:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's that's for now, yeah, such a fascinating story. [UNKNOWN]: I love here in kind of the differences between American special operations and Italian. [UNKNOWN]: What what have I asked you that I should have? [UNKNOWN]: Um, what I think, uh, and this is not, um, [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying not to insult anybody, but the reality is this, I think, what we differentiate, the Baitana special forces, the American special forces, and it's what we differentiate between people and American people. [UNKNOWN]: In Italian people, we sometimes am nothing. [UNKNOWN]: We need to come up with a solution with nothing in our hands.

2:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: We don't have the resources of the Americans. [UNKNOWN]: We don't. [UNKNOWN]: And the way I put the things in a special forces scenario in Afghanistan, before emissions, there was this special force group, the RT guy, there was tried antenna, there's not the antenna, that's a work, it's a work, it's a work, let's go, in my RT guy, [UNKNOWN]: Grab the antenna for the ground, it's $5000, fix it, and we use that.

2:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: That's our book broken. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I think that this kind of mentality more Americans and even the pressure force you need to maybe do everything It was a case don't don't not judge if anybody was okay. [UNKNOWN]: I'm able to case but I do know that here in America We have everything's yeah, and we sometimes we Throw away the doesn't just because it doesn't work or we used to unlimited supplies [UNKNOWN]: while we are not. [UNKNOWN]: So we used to have a mentality that you may have you got about one gloves. [UNKNOWN]: Fixed. [UNKNOWN]: Use that. [UNKNOWN]: Why I made it up? [UNKNOWN]: Can I have a box please?

2:07:19 [UNKNOWN]: You know, make sense what I'm saying? [UNKNOWN]: For sure it does. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, and I don't disagree that, you know, I think the almost kind of a product of your environment is that if if you're never or rarely put in a position where you have to fix it because there isn't a spare, [UNKNOWN]: You'll figure out a way around, especially with special forces guys. [UNKNOWN]: I remember running into that in the Philippines, actually. [UNKNOWN]: I mean a lot of the stuff that we threw away, you know, they would dig out of the trash and make it into things that we were just like, dude, what, you know, like making fins out of plastic shooting targets, you know, like we threw all this, like we did a shooting range and have these, you know, the plastic silhouettes that are really heavy-duty plastic and, you know, shot the hell out of them.

2:08:03 [UNKNOWN]: through it all the way well they're on wooden sticks and there's a bunch of you know green rigorous tape masking tape type stuff laying around all through in the trash in the next day they had you know stacked several of them on top of each other cut them out like fins taking the the trash rigorous tape and rolled it over to make rope out of it and then put punched holes in the in the fins and weave together this like foot web pattern it like made fins out of our trash [UNKNOWN]: you know we're just looking around like we all felt like a bunch of idiots like Jesus you know they took our trash and made operational gear out of it you know and and just seeing you know them diving with a mask with you know that didn't work or with no mask and making spear guns out of bamboo and paper clips and means like my guyver stuff you know but yeah so I mean I've certainly seen that for sure I that doesn't come as a surprise but yeah it's it's fascinating anything else that [UNKNOWN]: What a fascinating interview.

2:09:01 [UNKNOWN]: I really appreciate you taking the time. [UNKNOWN]: It's been a treat for me to be able to talk to a fellow special operator from a different country and hear your story and I need to send you the coin. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would love that. [UNKNOWN]: I've got a coin for you too. [UNKNOWN]: So thank you for taking the time and it's been great to get to know you. [UNKNOWN]: No, thank you to you, Mike, and you doing a great job. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. [UNKNOWN]: They did a job because... [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes, what we don't have, we don't have this. [UNKNOWN]: You know, forget about me in the movies. [UNKNOWN]: It's a shortcut that they decide on the story, right? [UNKNOWN]: We don't have this. [UNKNOWN]: And I have an mic to talk to the audience, to show that we are humans, to show we have family, to show you a passion, we are dreams, that we fail, that we are not like Flickinson Guerrero.

2:09:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's something that people need to see. [UNKNOWN]: And you give disguise a capability to what the being seen and be heard. [UNKNOWN]: It's very remarkable. [UNKNOWN]: So we should have best and we should keep raising I whatever you want to do in your life to make this scene see if it'd be good man. [UNKNOWN]: I appreciate the kind where it's very much and I wish you nothing but the best in your career as well. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you again for coming. [UNKNOWN]: I appreciate it. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. [UNKNOWN]: For the listener's last viewer, I hope you enjoyed it. [UNKNOWN]: If you didn't, you can choke yourself and until next time this is my drop.